Brake Caliper Is Smoking After Pad Replacement

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    Earlier today I had the dealer install updated rear pads on the Prius to correct a brake noise problem, per the TSB.

    On the drive home I noticed lower than usual MPG (upper 20s) and upon arriving home, the left rear caliper was burning and very hot-- as evident by the wheel cover. All of the other wheels were cool to the touch-- as they should be.

    Any ideas on what may have happened? I think someone may have twisted the ebrake cable...but I can't think what else could have caused this.

    Thanks.

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    That -- or you have a caliper "hanging up" and not backing off the rotor that is creating friction/heat. I'm sure you will be taking it right back to the dealer??
     
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    Yes-- the car is going back to the dealer first thing in the morning.

    I think the e-brake on this car is one of those where the assembly is part of the rear caliper. Not sure how a routine brake job can cause that to malfunction unless the cable was twisted.
     
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    Yes, the e-brake cable is connected to the rear brake assembly. That would be my first guess that the e-brake is not releasing.

    I just had the same TSB completed on my car last week and had the tires off checking the installation yesterday.
     
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    If it were the e-brake both rear wheels would be hot.

    I think the piston is stuck on that wheel. I would have them thoroughly inspect the bearings on that side as well as it may have melted the grease.
     
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    It is a threaded piston so possibly the groves are not aligned with the tabs on the pad? I've seen that happen before but it usually won't result in symptoms this severe.

    The dealer advised me to have Toyotacare dispatch a tow truck so I'm at home waiting for the flatbed to arrive.
     
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    If you can: chock the wheels on the opposite front corner, release the parking brake, and then raise the problem corner high enough for the wheel to come off the ground. You can do this with the supplied scissor jack at the rocker arm jack point: it's basically the flat tire change procedure.

    Then see how much effort it takes to turn that wheel. Normally it would be quite easy turning, slowed just by the slight friction of the pads touching. Even better would be to raise the whole back end (if you have a floor jack and the car's on a level slab), and then you can compare sides.

    If it's dragging badly, and you let the dealership know you are aware of that, I think you'll be in a stronger position. If that's the case they should not have released the car.
     
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    I already did this. The LR is heavily dragging. It is still movable though.

    The RR drags much less and spins freely. I am also sitting at 31 MPG after 30+ mile on this tank if that is any indication.

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    Oh, ok. For sure make them aware of this. As others have said, it may require bearing grease repack. They should completely check out that corner. The caliper might be damaged, and/or the pads, or disc, and so on.
     
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    I am going to insist that at a minimum, they install a new rotor on that corner and a new set of rear pads.

    I think the hub/bearing is a one-piece unit on these cars and are not serviceable.
     
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    So, they said the pin on the back of the pads was not aligned with the groove on the caliper piston. Therefore the pad was dragging against the rotor. That makes sense, as I have seen this happen before on other cars.

    Their resolution was to align the piston properly, road test the car, and according to them-- everything is now OK.

    I am not thrilled with having one rotor that looks fairly dark and having rear pads that are somewhat cooked after 30 miles of driving with their error. Even the advisor admitted that the rotor was a bit glazed. :rolleyes:

    So, my proposal to them is to install a new set of rear pads and resurface that 1 rotor. The advisor said he would have to talk to the service manager on Monday and make the case to him. I also mentioned that ideally that rotor should be replaced due to the heat issue. Not to mention, there's also one wheel cover that was likely damaged by them, but I don't know if I can prove.

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    Stick to your guns - THEY caused the problem -- THEY should fix it "perfectly".
     
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    A new rotor and new pads would be the proper repair, try not to let them sleaze out of it.

    I would also ask them why they didn't test the brakes, as they are suppose to, before they returned the car to you. You might mention to them that this is a safety issue, sometimes that gets their attention.

    Good luck.
     
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    I took the car to a different dealer today and had them put the car on the lift and take off both rear tires. Both of the rear rotors look identical (signs of well seated pads, no excessive overheat or grooving) and pads on both corners measure at 8mm.

    Not sure what to do now since they both look the same. I could still try to have them do the work, but I'm not sure if there's any benefit since no visual damage seems to have occurred.

    The tech did mention the possibility of the LR rotor being warped but it is not immediately apparent.

    But thanks guys, good point on the safety factor-- this should have been caught during the test drive.
     
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    If you have a warped disc I think you will feel it in the pedal. In any case I would suggest giving the brakes a good test, maybe a couple of hard stops from 70 mph or so. I'm surprised that much heat didn't at least glaze the pads.

    Thanks for posting this problem now we know something to check after brake work is done.
     
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    Can someone post the TSB? I did not know there was one.
     
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    There is a sticky on here with all of the current TSB's for the 2010 Prius.
     
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    The dealer has agreed to install a new set of rear pads and a new left-rear rotor, as I had requested. The car will go back in on Thursday.
     
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    That is good news!
     
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    The car is back. As I requested, the dealer installed another new set of rear pads (latest version), along with 1 new rear rotor for the left-rear corner. Absolutely nothing was done to the right-rear rotor.

    Now it stops adequately and smoke free. :p

    Hopefully the pads will bed-in soon so that the rear brakes will become balanced.