I noticed many of my recent posts have been side-tracked by the plug-in vs hybrid thread. Then I saw this thread: Bought a 2017 today | PriusChat As I wandered through the thread I was reminded of how many times past hybrid threads were interrupted by these various plug-in advocates. The first was 'Jay' and his plug-in converted Prius. Then I looked in the mirror. I'm beginning to think 'plug-in' people have a phase when like a new convert, they want to proselytize even if it is the wrong time and place (i.e., Mormons in a bar.) I've been trying to deal with applied engineering and technical aspects but I'm not sure it is doing any good. I thought a couple of years ago about the time @Danny and @efusco got their plug-ins there was an announcement about a separate, plug-in forum. I tried to search for it but no luck. Anyone remember the announcement and a URL? Thanks, Bob Wilson