Friend or foe of my worms?

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  1. PriuStorm

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    While feeding my worms the other day, I saw that the one bin had these guys in it. Are they friends or foes of the worms? This particular bin is a rubbermaid bin, set on the ground. It always has the lid on it. Towards the top there are tiny 1/32" holes for air drilled into the side. When I had this bin in my house, fruitflies could still come in and out of those holes, so I taped them closed and then used a pin to prick the holes so they were even smaller. That solved the fruit fly problem.

    I guess I'm concerned somehow that these grubby looking things are feasting on the worms, but I can't quite tell. Any ideas are appreciated. I have checked various other vermicompost troubleshooting guides but they mostly talk about flies as problems, and these things are much too large to be maggots.
     

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    I'm not sure what those are, but they don't look carnivorous. Try putting some next to a few worms and see what happens. Then you'll know and can take appropriate action.
     
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    Thank you for the reply. I did a little more digging (haha) this afternoon and discovered that these are actually Black Soldier Fly larvae, voracious composters, and can co-exist with the red wiggler worms peacefully. So, that's very good news. I had removed about a dozen of them and quickly returned them to the bin, giving them an extra portion of stuff to eat. :)
     
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    But aren't they going to eventually become Black Soldier Flys? Do you want Black Soldier Flys?
     
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    You're not putting meat in your bins are you?
     
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    No, I'm not putting meat in the bins!!

    According to the one site I read (a thread here) and another site here) it turns out that not only are the larvae beneficial, but the flies only live but a couple of days just to reproduce. Apparently these larvae are used to break down hog and cow manure and renders it close to odorless in a very fast time. Additionally, the larvae can be used as chicken feed because they are 'clean' and have a high fat content. The flies aren't nuisance flies... they are poor fliers, don't care to come into the house, don't feed, etc.
     
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    Well those are a lot better to find in your composting than one of these:

    Composting Problem.jpg
     
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    This link:

    Black Soldier Fly

    Implies that you are not compositing well. I suppose that means that the bin is not getting hot?

    Shooting from the hip I really think there are 2 main composting approaches: Focus on bacteria which means attaining high temperatures, or just let 'whatever' happen. I really think that both can be effective.

    The link also suggests that BSFs are preferred to house flies, and I can believe that.

    Can you just place some sticky traps around the compost area to reduce fly populations in general?
     
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    Thank you for the link, tochatihu. I suspect you are right, that they are referring to hot piles when they say it's a symptom of poor compost.

    In the case of vermicomposting, you don't want a hot pile, or you'll kill the worms. One thing I gathered indirectly from your link as well as a couple of others I read is that the bin may have too much moisture. It also may be time to get pull out some castings in the event the bin is becoming a little toxic or whatever happens if the castings have been setting too long.

    I agree with your assessment... BSF's are preferred to houseflies. In general, there are no flies around the compost... I haven't even noted any BSF's but I suppose that's just a matter of time. I have a small hot-pile in the vicinity, but how hot it gets is another question. There are no BSF larvae in that pile, but one day I did see a creature similar to that in FL_Prius_Driver's picture... :D