Hello guys! My first post here. Sorry for English, but it's from Google Translate. I live in southern Brazil, and bought my Prius 4 Gen a little over 1 month ago. Paid the equivalent of U $ 30,000.00 in a 2018 - 0km. I am very happy with the car so far. Before, I owned a Peugeot 208. I still have not achieved averages as impressive as some users of this forum. I believe that because my daily routes are small - an average of 6km after departure, and also because gasoline in Brazil has at least 25% ethanol. My average is around 5l / 100km. Well, that was it. I hope I can contribute in some way to this space that has helped me so much in choosing this incredible car.
hi diego, welcome to priuchat, and congrats on your new car! i thought gas in brazil was cheap? post a pic when you have a chance. we have a very large brazilian community in nearby framingham, ma. all the best!
Hello! Thanks for message! I do not know if I understood your question well, but a LITER of gasoline in my city in Brazil is very expensive and costs the equivalent of US $ 1.20. Remembering that each liter has 25% ethanol. Even because of this we call "Gasurine" and not Gasoline. lol About the Brazilian community in Framingham I hope to meet one day. My wife and I have a dream of living in the USA. But they are plans for a few more years. About the photo, you asked for mine, the gas price or the car? Or both? Sorry for the difficulty of interpretation because, as I explained, I'm starting in English so I use Google Translator to help me.
thank you! that is very expensive! about 10 years ago, i thought a local brazilian said gas was cheap, but i must be mistaken. a picture of your new car when you have time. you might need 5 posts before you can upload a picture, i'm not sure.
Greetings and welcome to the Forum! Não tenha medo. Seu inglês é muito melhor que o meu português. Bom luch com seu carro e com seu sonho de morar nos EUA !!!
That might be a factor in the somewhat low 5 liters per 100 km. If I'm not mistaken, for North America at least, Toyota advises no more than 15% ethanol now? Perhaps they've made some adjustment for Prius sold in Brazil though? What does it say on the gas cap, any warning about maximum ethanol percent?
[QUOTE = "Mendel Leisk, post: 2898737, member: 69191"] Isso pode ser um fator nos 5 litros um pouco mais baixos por 100 km. Se não me engano, pelo menos para a América do Norte, a Toyota não aconselha mais que 15% de etanol agora? I really do not know any adjustments in the engine to work with Brazil's gasoline. Even this caught my eye. When they delivered the car, I asked the dealership if they recommended working with a high octane gasoline that is even more expensive (but it also has 25% ethanol), and they told me it was not necessary. The manual contains the following notes on fuel: Type: Gasoline Specification: According to the National Petroleum Agency, Natural Gas and Biofuels The model of my car is the ZVW50L-AHXEBW Engine: 2ZR-FXE Transmission: P610 I hope this does not cause any damage to the engine, other than a lower mpg rating. According to the regulator in Brazil (which classifies the cars sold here), the Prius makes 18.9km / l in the city and 17km on the road and is therefore the most economical car in the country. In the coming months will begin to be sold here the new Corolla that will be the first flex hybrid car in the world. It shares the same TNGA platform, but I do not know what differences they made in the engine so it could work only with ethanol.
Yeah hopefully ok with 25%. If that's the norm for Brazil, and Toyota's selling vehicles officially there, I would think they've either checked it out, or made some adjustments to the cars? Here's an excerpt from the USA 2016 Prius Owner's Manual: (You can download North American manuals from ToyotaTechInfo.com, under the "Manuals" tab.) I've attached too, a more complete excerpt from the manual, but the clip above is all that's mentioned about ethanol.
That's a local stipulation - Australia, we're told: Same with many things - I'm not sure if they modify anything to make ours only 10? or Brazil to allow the higher Ethanol?
Thank you guys. I hope this does not cause any problems in my car, because I do not believe they have made any adjustments especially for the Prius sold in Brazil (which sells very little). I find it more likely that this engine has always accepted a gasoline with more ethanol (more than is recommended in the manual of other countries, such as Australia and USA).
But maybe it knocks down the fuel economy? It's pretty much a given, that ethanol addition is detrimental in that regard. And the tests are run with pure gas.
Seizing the opportunity: In my city usually has a great thermal amplitude in the change of the seasons. In my old car, it was common for him to score 47 ° C on the dashboard when he was parked in my company in the January sunshine. And in winter it is common to do 1ºC or 2ºC here. Would that be very damaging to the Prius? Should I avoid leaving the car exposed to the sun because of the traction batteries? Which of the stations performs poorly in terms of mpg? In summer or winter? Thank you!
winter is worse. batteries are less efficient, as well as air and roads. same with the engine, more warm up time. 47c, wow, sounds like the desert around here. i would do everything i can to protect the battery. tinting, window shades, park in the shade, garage and etc.
Do you have Li-ION batteries? - I suspect it would be NiMH as that was supplied in most of the world. NiMH are good with a variety of temperatures.
TOYOTA would know what they're doing. With VVT and computer controlled knock sensors - etc etc, they could have done subtle modifications. If your manual states 25% - go with it. As far as fuel economy is concerned, you'll find that your first fill, the computer won't be able to compute as accurately. Also, you get used to driving a car more economically as you own it for a little while, and I'm sure it will improve. Winter and mid-summer use more fuel due to use of the heater (the petrol motor runs to warm the car), and A/C in summer.
Yes, they are NiMH batteries. Thanks for your tips. There's a lot of humidity around here. In the summer the thermometer marks 35ºC, but the thermal sensation is of 45ºC. The times my old car struck on the 47 ° C panel, it's because he had stayed all morning under the sun. And with Prius the same thing will happen, because there is no cover in my company garage. I'll have to figure out how to handle this. Sincerely, I do not know.
