Problems with papers

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  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: Murky world of 'science' journals a new frontier for climate deniers | Graham Readfearn | Environment | The Guardian

    There’s a new scientific journal you might not have heard of called the International Journal of Earth and Environmental Sciences. It says it “supports scientist who sweats for the real innovation & discovery”.

    If that’s a little too sweaty for you, then how about another new journal, also called the International Journal of Earth and Environmental Sciences?

    Or, if you’re a discerning (and sweaty) scientist looking for a publisher that “endeavours to provide a notable and discern forum to publish” then maybe the International Journal of Research in Earth and Environmental Sciences is the notable forum for you?

    No? Just one more. There’s also the International Journal of Environmental Sciences which “expecpt high quality research articles” that are free from plagiarism, but maybe not typos.
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    Your first 2 journals look the same to me. Typo perhaps? :D
     
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    Cut and paste from the original ... I thought. Turns out they link to different web sites in the original.

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    Flood of new scientific journals is not at all restricted to environmental sciences. Guardian has every right to focus on those but it makes a very incomplete story.

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    Calls to attend new meetings, to publish in new journals, and to review manuscripts for new journals get past my email spam blocker all the time. Guess I need a better spam blocker. I pay particular attention to about 120 journals and review manuscripts for about 20 of those. Flood of new journals (from new-to-the-table publishers) affects me not at all. Sorry Ghostrider, the pattern is full :)
     
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    BobW may not know others who are more avid in doing science (one slice or another) but I do. More than I could say.

    But the thing here is new science journals, not tethered to institutions of the older ones, that we might not like either. Because they want $39 or whatever for a copy of the latest.

    If y'all have not attended to obvious trivial ways to get past that wall, I really don't know if you can be saved.

    New wave of science-like journals all take authors' money and post publications for free. Free for end user does not indicate trouble 'upstream' by itself. Actually (and perhaps racist-ty) I look whether publisher has any track record in area of interest 1, 2 or 3.

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    Science, broadly, lacks meaningful ways to discern whether something published anywhere is worth a flip. How many times a thing is later cited can be considered important and perhaps to your your horror or dismay, it is all we've got.

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    BobW perhaps gags at 'watching' 120 journals. But there are ways. On the consumer side, I look at 'titles' with a very critical eye. Conversely when consulting would-be authors, I ask that they make their titles as flamboyant as their work possibly supports. Should not be a gimmick, but in this bazaar, it should speak clearly.
     
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    I tend to follow Google News, Skeptical Science, The Guardian, and car forums. When I see an interesting article, I'll follow it back to the source. But otherwise, a quiet life in Huntsville with my wife and her dogs. My reason for posting about these dubious sources is the occasional 'spoof' that shows up in the popular press.

    In the past couple of years, Forbes has led the misinformation articles that trace back to the usual advocacy web sites or dodgy 'guest' authors. The challenge is with the growth of fake paper producers who tolerate false data. Having accurate sources when dealing with retail climate deniers. This is recent exchange about climate change with a local friend:

    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson Caution, this comes from academic reports shared with "the media." It turns out with global warming, the Arctic jet stream is doing deeper dives bringing cold weather to Dixie. But when Arctic air heads South it is replace by warm air from the tropics that reduces Arctic sea ice freezing.

    https://weather.com/.../2017-12-20-alaska-warm-december...
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    Lacon Flagman
    Lacon Flagman Lol! No real warming in 20 years! The latest excuse is that the seafloor is sinking and canceling the expected sealevel rise. This nonsense is unbelievably subjective, just junk "science".
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson You might find it useful to look at the Skeptical Science web site that collects counter-claims to global warming. These are searchable along with references to articles and papers supporting global warming. Warning, it combines both media and academia...See More
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    Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined
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    Lacon Flagman
    Lacon Flagman The interesting thing about high CO2 is that, while expected warming hasn't shown up, the earth has greened by about 27%! The earth is healthier and more productive with the added CO2!
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson We'll have to agree to disagree about this,"while expected warming hasn't shown up." Polar sea ice is smaller and the BEST (Berkeley Earth) shows a measurable increase in global warming. However, no problem with "the earth has greened ..."

    Green plants fix carbon, a good thing unless you recently lived on hillsides in California. Truth be told, green plants are our long term, best hope for dealing with high CO{2}. The warmer temperatures with earlier Spring and later Fall helps too.
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    Lacon Flagman
    Lacon Flagman Antartic ice is at all time record extent! Penguins are having a hard time because they can't survive to walk so far after Wintering there. Be aware that you are being fed cherry picked "facts".
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson About Antartic sea ice, the satellite record shows something else. There are multiple sources but start with this for qualitative numbers:

    Sea Ice Index | National Snow and Ice Data Center
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson I would also recommend this second, German source:

    Sea Ice Concentration
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson You might also check for Larson Ice shelf. As the sea ice around the Antarctic glaciers melt and/or break up, the glaciers move the sea measurably faster.

    I have a lot of interest in the polar ice because they are a primary radiator of the heat-engine that is the earth. The tropics accumulate the heat and the poles radiate heat. The thermal difference is what drive the wind currents that lead to weather.

    Larsen Ice Shelf - Wikipedia
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    Bob Wilson
    Bob Wilson Here are some interactive graphs going back to 1979. There was a time when it looked like Antartica sea ice was increasing but it was a by-product of more humid air from the tropics being deposited as snow. That trend has reversed as the humidity induced precipitation is falling further from the shore. But there is evidence some Antarctic areas are seeing an uptick of snow. We see this in the GRACE mission data.

    http://nsidc.org/arct.../charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
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    I've known 'Lacon Flagman' since the 1990s and he has been an independent ultra conservative for as long as I've known him. Yet we can disagree without becoming disagreeable. The key is to discuss ideas and concepts citing our respective sources. But it is important to have accurate sources.

    Bob Wilson