For those who don't deal with the Great Firewall, I was channels surfing last night and found this gem: Discussion Science Skeptics | Video | C-SPAN.org Of course one wishes @mojo would watch and 'get smart' but it doesn't work that way. Some folks 'live in a bubble' and nothing short of direct, personal, and likely painful experience will have an effect. The take-away is we are not working from a common set of facts. Bob Wilson