Toyota Crown Estate (AKA Toyota Crown Signia) Released in Japan with Hybrid and PHEV Power Train

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  1. drash

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    In Japan, the last of the four Crown models, the Toyota Crown Estate has been launched in Japan for the Crown's 70th Anniversary. For markets in North America it is called the Toyota Crown Signia.

    Toyota Launches All-New Crown Estate in Japan | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

    Unlike the North American market, he Crown Estate has been released with two different power trains:
    CrownSigniaHEVsystem.jpg a 2.5L Hybrid
    CownSigniaPHEVsystem.png and a 2.5L Plug-in Hybrid.

    The Toyota Estate Z is the hybrid model while the Toyota Estate RS features the Plug-in hybrid power train. The PHEV gets an estimated 89 km (55.3 miles) in EV-only range per WLTC mode. WLTC is rather generous and equates to about 70 km (43.5 miles) EPA or about equal to the RAV4 Plug-in Hybrid (previously known as RAV4 Prime). They don't state the battery size but it likely isn't the 13.6 kWh battery found in the Prius Plug-in Hybrid but the 18.1 kWh battery found in the RAV4 Plug-in Hybrid as well as the Lexus NX 450h+, Lexus RX 450h+ and Lexus TX 550h+. Both Toyota Crown Estate models come with Dynamic Rear Steering (DRS), a feature not found in the North American Toyota Crown Signia.

    So the million dollar question is, since there is a PHEV version for the Crown Estate, will we see it here for the Crown Signia? I'd hypothesize maybe, primarily because of the tariff environment here.
     
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    The result is a vehicle that embodies both the dignity and functionality of the Crown in what Toyota calls a Mature Active Cabin.

    Island architecture is a design in which various functions such as displays and shifts are grouped together and arranged like an island.

    The large 21-inch diameter tires on aluminum wheels bring a sense of power and results in flowing and dynamic proportions.


    ^ Puzzling rhetoric. Some lost-in-translation? I would hope there were also some both-feet-on-the-ground engineers involved in the design...

    The dash at least doesn’t look nuts. Heat/Vent controls a tacked-on, unergonomic mess as always. Will it have a spare, who knows.
     
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    Japan doesn't use all four cycles of WLTP, just the three lower speed ones. So the figures likely are even more generous than EPA.
     
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    Heat/Vent look the same as the 2025 Camry

    I want to know why they do not bring back the Camry station wagon / hatch?
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    Cause they planned a major revamp of the Crown with four body types. The Crown is Toyota's flagship model, and they cancelled the Camry in Japan. The Camry might not a true global model at this point. It is sold in North America, Asia, Oceania, and central Europe.

    PS: The original Venza was a Camry wagon, and it didn't sell well.
     
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    A dowdy wagon, with sensible wheels, good visibility, generous cargo bay? Are you kidding? What about dignity embodiment, huh?
     
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    i thought, market-wise, the Crown replaced the Avalon which was larger than the Camry.
    The wide body Camry used in the US was never global. Japan stayed with a narrow body version.
     
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    My old, missed 1996 Camry sedan would take exception to being dowdy!
    Memories of that car were part of the reason for buying the 2025 Camry XLE.
     
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    In North America, the Crown crossover replaced the Avalon. Neither of them are much bigger than the Camry. IIRC, the Crown has the same trunk size as the Camry. The current Accord is a bigger car; actual full fize.

    The Crown is more important to Toyota, and is about 30 years older than the Camry. It was their first export to the US. The Camry and Corolla are actually named after it. This generation is getting a big push to revitalize it; in Japan and globally. There is sedan, lifted sedan, hatchback, and wagon version of it, with a mix of hybrids and even a FCEV one.

    With it, and Japan no longer getting a Camry, I don't see Toyota spending funds to make Camry variants. A bigger factor against it is the growing popularity of crossovers and SUVs globally. To Toyota, the Highlander is the Camry wagon.
    The narrow body platform only lasted to 2003, and by then it was Vista only. Japan has been getting the wide body Camry since 1996, as has the rest of the markets.
    Toyota Camry - Wikipedia
     
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    I stand corrected, the battery size is a newly developed 51Ah (14.85 kWh) battery. Slightly larger than the Prius Plug-in Hybrid's 13.6 kWh. EPA range would be in the neighborhood of mid 30's like 35 or 36 miles. I'm sure they are using the Toyota Crown Sport PHEV battery. The Toyota Crown Signia weighs 749 lbs (340 kg) more than the Prius Plug-in Hybrid as well as being higher, wider and higher ground clearance and it is using 21" wheels would be a real detriment to getting anywhere near 40 miles of AER.

    Toyota Crown Sport RS: A Striking Evolution in Hybrid Performance