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This is just the same hot air Toyota has been spewing for a dozen years. It never amounts to anything. It's just a bunch of hype to distract us while they do all the can to hold back the EV advancement because gas engine investments are what is still generating their quarterly earnings.

Toyota's PR dept. want you to think that they're ultra modern innovators.

But if you look at Toyota's actual actions year over year their business clearly follows a practice of anti-modernism. And what little future seeking path they are on, it's purely driven by the search for more proprietary control of a speculative/undeveloped market, rather than competing in the real world EV market as it exists today.

 

Still hoping on hydrogen, I see.

 

I like that Simon Wiel quote in your signature... In the context of this discussion that quote also applies to Toyota.

 

But seemingly realistic about the financials involved and the break even point

 

They have offers to buy 100k units by 2030. They need to sell 200k to reach the big price reduction. Global FCEV sales peaked around 15k a year, and it has been dropping the past few years; maybe 10k/yr. Commercial vehicles will use two or more units, and there could be sales for stationary power systems. Still means they are hoping for record growth to support them among a field of competitors vying in a limited market.

Then still no news on break throughs to reduce hydrogen transport and production costs.

 

Breaking even point is easy if you aim to control most of the patents for hydrogen fuel cell markets and infrastructure and that market actually starts to to grow. But what good are those patents when every auto maker other than Toyota has near zero interest in developing hydrogen fuel cells and instead entirely focuses on battery chemistry that has been invested in 1000 times more than Toyota's delusional fuel cell pipe dream? Can Toyota be any more out of touch with the future?

 

I think GM/Honda have Toyota beat on fuel cell patents. Then any Chinese customers Toyota has will likely switch to domestic suppliers once those have ramped up. They are probably a bigger supplier than Toyota for that market already. Which is the only market showing growth now.

Fuel cells might be a better option than batteries for commercial vehicles, and large scale production will bring down costs. It is the costs of hydrogen itself that are hindering growth to that point. Let's cheap the fuel cheap and use black hydrogen. The costs of getting the hydrogen to the station, and then into the vehicle will still drive the pump price past being competitive with gasoline. Toyota's roadmap makes no mention of addressing that.

 

off roadmap

 

You think? Yet you didn't bother to research it? You just made up stuff that suits your argument? Classic disinformation troll routine you're doing right now!

To be clear on the real truth of the subject:

As of 2022, Toyota Motor Corporation holds the most fuel cell-related patents in the automotive sector, with a total of 36,932 patents published between 2002 and 2022. This extensive portfolio underscores Toyota's leadership in hydrogen fuel cell technology, particularly in fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) like the Toyota Mirai.

Honda Motor Co. Ltd. follows as the second-largest holder, with 14,209 fuel cell-related patents during the same period. Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. ranks third, holding 11,326 patents. Other notable contributors include Panasonic Corporation with 9,916 patents and General Motors Co. with 8,578 patents.
Toyota USA Newsroom

In 2015, Toyota made a significant move by offering over 5,600 of its fuel cell-related patents royalty-free to encourage broader adoption of hydrogen technology across the industry.

This strategic approach highlights Toyota's commitment to advancing fuel cell technology and promoting its widespread use in the automotive sector.

 

"Your claims posted without any source are made up stuff and disinformation!"

"Here, I'll refute them with my claims posted without any source!"

 

Great, Toyota now leads in fuel cell patents held. It was once GM, who has a partnership to share patents with Honda(why I placed then together).
US Renewable Energy Patents: What GM, GE, IBM, And Other Top Corporates Are Working On
The free use of their patents ended in 2020.
Toyota Making 5,600 Hydrogen Fuel Cell Patents Free To Use - CleanTechnica

Are they design or technical patents?
Will any of these patents lead to reducing the cost of getting hydrogen into the car's tank?
Is anyone interested in using their patents?
Will they holding these patents matter to the biggest potential market, China?

 

the great thing about a road map is that it will guide you anywhere you want to go

 

Sorry old timer... I should of explained it further.

In the AI times we live in, the reference of specific numbers is the equivalent of a reference. Simply paste: "36,932 patents Toyota" into your preferred search engine and here's the first reference listed: Global: Top Fuel Cells Patents Holders (2002 - 2022) - GlobalData

The olden days of grabbing links for easy to find references died out because there's so many social media trolls that claim there's no reference only for them to disagree in wildly irrational ways when the reference is provided in follow up. It's very important to not feed trolls!!!

 

Or provide it up front, then there's no need for it to be "provided in follow up", and no need for anyone to point out you didn't the first time.

Sure, any reader can plug anything you've claimed into a search engine, and get some results, and go through the results to bin them into solid ones and iffy ones and hallucinations—that is, to do on his or her own time the homework the reader is trying to discern whether you did.

The practice of supplying sources for claims, which hasn't died out, serves the purpose of showing that you understand it is right and proper for readers to evaluate your trustworthiness, and that you're willing to help them do that.

 

It takes less than 4 seconds to click that very specific number of patents and google the link. Even faster if you've installed fact checking extensions in your web browser.

If I was talking in general terms and there wasn't key words that could be easily verified you'd have a point, but in this particular case you don't.

 

Without providing a source, you were no more right than I was to the casual reader.

 

That's the hope that trolls depend on...

 

'Trolls' being, usually, the ones most avidly doubling down on their neglect to name sources for what they post.