Watching the sun circle the pole

I have seen this phenomena twice during the two 6-month stints I've spent at McMurdo Station Antarctica. Basically, if you are at a latitude higher than 66 degrees North or South the sun becomes circumpolar during the summer in the north and during the northern hemisphere winter in the south. The further north or south you are, the longer the period of uninterrupted sunlight. More info here

 

Ive heard that the effect of albedo loss at the poles is exaggerated.
If the sun is low on the horizon ,much light caroms off the surface of water.

 

Exaggerated in a modeling sense? I know they have to tweak various values to get the global heat budget to work in climate models. But yes, angle of incidence is everything.

 

Reflectivity as measured from satellites

Albedo

provide albedo and angle of incidence information. So this is surely not a case where climate models are missing some obvious detail that 'somebody has heard ...'

Some might know the name of Steve Squyres? Slightly famous for managing two Martian Rovers? He published on this stuff in 1982. Falls pretty well in the category of 'known and understood'.

The title of the thread reminds me that some evidence exists that the Earth circles the Sun. Not the other way around.

 

"Albedo change in the Arctic threatens to cause runaway global warming"
Arctic News: Albedo change in the Arctic threatens to cause runaway global warming

Were all gonna die due to lack of albedo causing catastrophe!!!

2012 had low Arctic albedo.
But 2013 Artic ice is rapidly gaining volume.
Albedo loss isnt causing the end of the world.
Albedo loss is having negligible effect on increasing ice volume or lower sea surface temps .
Run Run Run RunAway.

 

BTW Arctic ice volume is gaining rapidly , in spite of continually rising CO2 levels and loss of albedo.
Strange gas that causes ice loss and now ,ice gain.
CO2 also causes record high levels of Antarctic ice presently .

 

Its an increase of ice from 2012 .
While Co2 is continually rising and albedo is lowered..
Explain how CO2 causes this?

Whos the FOOL?

 

BTW dont call me a fool.
Unless you have something intelligent to add.
Which is unlikely,judging from your previous posts.

 

For that matter explain how the Antarctic is at record high ice volume with record high CO2?
If you cant explain that ,then you are obviously the "fool"

 

OMG Im debating a mentally impaired person .
Touche, you win the special debate award.

 

So Mojo, do you have any citation for your claim that Arctic (and
antarctic) ice is increasing?

Even your own provided link re: Albedo seems to confirm the opposite!

Icarus

 

Goodness, this is dangerous "flaming" ground to be walking upon ... Quick, back to my Gen II forum ...

 

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

 

Mojo,

I have read (and scanned) through dozens of page from the National snow and ice data center site you note, and NOWHERE can I find a chart that looks Ike yours! Either you have done some pretty thourough cherry picking, or you have been hoodwinked by a made to look alike, or you are attempting to make it up.

What I IDID find on the site, was overwhelming evidence of the trend to lower summer ice levels in the Arctic.

On a side note, listening to CBC the other day, I heard a story about a record number of ships making trans arctic passage this season, primarily using the N.E Passage over Russia.

Icarus