Seriously, did I miss the class....was their some sort of inoculation against sound reason that I was too old to get....is it because I haven't watched TV for well over a decade? Why is it that in almost EVERY comment section for an article about EVs or other clean energy, there is the same old stupid, patently retarded and otherwise easily researched with a couple of clicks umm..."misperceptions" about wind, solar or EVs? And when you (even kindly) debunk these assertions, all of a sudden you are some variation of a Red, tofu eating rump ranger. And here I was brought up to believe in conservation and efficiency as core tenants of conservative ideology. Any theories? Is it something in the TV dinners?
i wasn't brought up to believe anything about the environment, but i've never heard about conservation and efficiency being core tenants of conservatism. maybe i'm just jaded. the only thing mainstream conservatives and liberals want to conserve is their power base.
There is an ad that runs during "Jerry Springerz", they sell "STUPID" by the bottle, can, or the new convienent pop up wipes!
(I am just to the left of George McGovern) Before Reagan Republicans, there were Goldwater Republicans: Small, Efficient, Government No religion in Politics Women's Rights Gay Rights Conservation Stewardship for future generations Today's Republicans are typically not conservatives at all: They want Gridlock in Government They want their religion, and only their religion in Politics Anti abortion and equal pay Anti equal rights Hummers No concern for future generations James G. Watt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wait, what? are you saying there was a time when republicans were pushing womens rights and gay rights?
This is just speculation: When you talk about conservation, the underlying assumption is that there's something wrong with unrestricted consumption. People who enjoy unrestricted consumption get angry because they feel you are attacking their lifestyle choices. And while there are conservationists who are political conservatives, most conservatives believe that unrestricted consumption is a god-given right.
I don't remember Goldwater pushing for equal pay or women's rights. He did not bring religion into government, but he did not press for separation either. Religion and government just wasn't an issue for him. Gays had no rights, and he never suggested that they should have. Blacks had no rights, and he never suggested they should have. (But neither did the Democrats, either, until Kennedy VERY reluctantly sent the National Guard to desegregate one school in the South.) I don't remember his stand on stewardship.
All sound good to me except for the emphasis on hyphenated rights and the idea that politics should be devoid of religion because even when such a state is possible, there is the whole cultural angle that cannot be ignored. I am not a religious person-- in fact, superstition annoys the hell out of me, but I understand its importance to western culture in America's case. I also think that there is a lot of convolution of the issue that leads to misunderstandings, kind of like what I was alluding to in my original post- the "stupid".
You get your "stupid" at Walmart, of course. Just another reason I refuse to shop there. Though, I occasionally laugh at photos of those that do: Funny Pictures at WalMart
"Mary Crisp was appointed as secretary of the Republican National Convention in 1976. She shared the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee, beginning in 1976, with Bill Brock. In 1973, Mary Crisp had testified for the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) before a Congressional Committee. The Republican Party had supported the ERA since 1940. At the 1980 Republican National Convention, Mary Crisp fought for continued Republican support of the ERA in the party platform. Crisp spoke against the Party's position for a constitutional amendment banning abortion and also spoke in opposition of the Party's position opposing federal funding of abortions. In her final speech to the party platform committee, Mary Crisp warned that "We are about to bury the rights of over 100 million American women under a heap of platitudes." - Mary Crisp - Goldwater Republican and Feminist [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment[/ame] 'At 85, after a life in politics spanning five decades (he retired from the Senate in 1987), Mr. Conservative has found himself an unlikely new career: as a gay rights activist. While that's not his sole pursuit – he returned to Capitol Hill yesterday to testify in favor of scenic overflights of the Grand Canyon – in recent years he's championed homosexuals serving in the military and has worked locally to stop businesses in Phoenix from hiring on the basis of sexual orientation. This month he signed on as honorary co-chairman of a drive to pass a federal law preventing job discrimination against homosexuals. The effort, dubbed Americans Against Discrimination, is being spearheaded by the Human Rights Campaign Fund, the influential gay lobbying organization. "The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it." ' - Washingtonpost.com: Barry Goldwater's Left Turn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater#Later_life What I am saying is that pre-Reagan Republication were not all ditto heads, and did actual thinking. I miss it.
It's from Stupid Virus. Some days there is a world-wide pandemic. Other days it is confined to one continent. Oddly enough, Latin America is the least affected.
i understand, but i think what your citing is post political involvement or minority opposition. did anyone in the republican party actually offer up something while in power or in a campaign platform? i too miss the pre ditto heads on both sides of the ball.
Well it was minority opinion once the 'new' republicans came to power in 1980, yes. Before that the passage of the ERA was a republican platform from 1940 to 1980. Mary Crisp was asked to step down as the Chairman of the Nationql Republican Committtee for supporting womens right's so it BECAME post political involvement as the 'new' republicans preferred rhetoric over human rights. "Senator Charles Curtis, a future Vice President, and Susan B. Anthony's nephew, Representative Daniel R. Anthony, Jr.—both of the Republican Party and both from Kansas—introduced it for the first time as Senate Joint Resolution No. 21 on December 10, 1923, and as House Joint Resolution No. 75 on December 13, 1923, respectively. Though the ERA was introduced in every Congressional session between 1923 and 1970, it almost never reached the floor of either the Senate or the House for a vote — instead, it was usually "bottled up" in committee. Exceptions occurred in 1946, when it was defeated in the Senate by a vote of 38 to 35 and, in 1950 and 1953, when it was passed by the Senate with the Hayden Rider, making it unacceptable to its supporters.[3][4] The Republican Party included support of the ERA in its platform beginning in 1940, renewing the plank every four years until 1980." - Equal Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the case of Goldwater, he was conservative, until the republicans moved so far right his views look positively liberal. "You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."
that's interesting. when did crisp step down? it's funny how my perception is only from my own experience.
1980 "For these positions, Ronald Reagan, whom the convention nominated, questioned Mary Crisp's party loyalty on television. The party even removed her name from the program of the convention." Fun group, the 'new' republicans.
Perhaps no one hates Nixon more than I do, and sadly the republican party adopted his moral stance on campaigning, but: "Nixon also endorsed the Equal Rights Amendment after it passed both houses of Congress in 1972 and went to the states for ratification as a Constitutional amendment.[122] Nixon had campaigned as an ERA supporter in 1968, though feminists criticized him for doing little to help the ERA or their cause after his election, which led to a much stronger women's rights agenda. Nixon increased the number of female appointees to administration positions.[123] Nixon signed the landmark laws Title IX in 1972, prohibiting gender discrimination in all federally funded schools and the Equal Employment Opportunity Act. In 1970 Nixon had vetoed the Comprehensive Child Development Act, denouncing the universal child-care bill, but signed into law Title X, which was a step forward for family planning and contraceptives." - Richard Nixon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Which also has this great line: Former president Harry Truman had a low regard for Nixon, stating in 1961: "Nixon is a shifty-eyed goddamn liar, and the people know it."[248] In 1968, he added "He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides."
