Atlantic hurricane season

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  1. tochatihu

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    Both Harvey and Irma will be counted as major. Made how much worse by less than complete evacuations, others can figure out.

    What has not happened yet is really strong eyewall action in Miami and other east FL coast population centers.

    Once again, luck is not a business plan.
     
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    25 cranes in miami. the next one will be so much worse.
     
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    Two of those cranes careened. I expect louder voices to lower them prior to next likely storm.

    OTOH, from a China perspective, what big city has only 24 construction cranes?
     
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    one without any land left.

    less than 10 years ago, you could have purchased a miami highrise from a squatter for pennies on the dollar.
    we call that progress.
     
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    I really don't know what happens in Chinese coastal cities when big winds come. But a large crane company, Zoomlion, installed one crane in forest for canopy research and it's a great ride.
     
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    In Miami, if some low houses are flooded beyond repair, sites may become available for more tall buildings to dare the sky.

    Skyscrapers. Sky scrapes back!
     
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    true enough. slowly but shirley.

    i wish them all the best, just wish it wasn't on my tax dollar.
     
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    Bump that count up to three toppled cranes:
    Inquiries just starting after cranes collapse during Hurricane Irma - Sun Sentinel

    This story mentions that it takes a couple weeks to take down a crane, and few firms are qualified to do it. So there isn't time to take them down with current designs and resources.

    Changes will need to happen. I suspect that for Cat 5 Hurricane risk areas, that likely means upgrading the ability of the cranes to withstand the winds.
     
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    So did Trump Mar Largo or the Limbaugh properties survive?

    How about Bob Lutz and his anti-Gore Keys home?

    IMHO, like a battered wife who returns or a dog and his vomit, I have no confidence that any facts and data will change minds. What say you @mojo?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Gas prices at the pump have gone up £0.02/liter already. I think their motto is 'anticipate the worst and count the profit when it turns out better than we said it would.'

    That's the price of gas, not the tragedies suffered by so many in the Caribbean and Southern States.

    Edit: Sorry, I butted in thinking I was at the end of a thread, but was only responding to Bob from last Wednesday. Bows head in shame!
     
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    Florida Keys reports 25% of houses destroyed, which seems modest to me but further details will follow.
     
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    power outage seems to be the major problem, gone take awhile...
     
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    Air conditioning makes Florida livable ... bad season for a power outage.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    ironically, air conditioning is the main cause of florida natural disasters.
    1) increasing climate change
    2) increasing population
     
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    I enjoy the irony of moving to Florida (or the South) for the climate ... and air conditioning. In contrast, my wife enjoys going to Florida which I'm not so enthused.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I stayed for a week at the Embassy Suites Ft Lauderdale one May and (as a Brit) welcomed the Aircon. My 'Merican buddy drove us around the east coast tourist spots, but almost froze when I dialled the car's Aircon down to 20°C/68°F. Having Served in the Gulf for 2 years and about 5 more in the tropics, I can adapt to heat, but my wife prefers the colder climes. She'd take vacations in the Arctic if she could.
     
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    we love orlando in winter. if the hurricane season gets extended, we won't.
     
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    Thank you for your service. I spent a year on Okinawa and it had insufferable heat, insufferable heat, insufferable heat, and suffering heat. Fortunately not as dusty as Oklahoma.
    There are Arctic cruises although frightfully expensive. I suspect there are shorter tours around the perimeter of the Atlantic, Arctic shores without having to take either one of the passages.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    2017 storm costs.


    Here:

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/harvey-irma-damages-predicted-to-cost-290-billion-atlantic-hurricane-season-only-at-midpoint/70002711


    Says USD$190 billions for Harvey and 100 for Irma.


    Here:

    Florida insurers avoid Hurricane Irma 'nightmare'


    Reduces Irma to $50 billions. The most damaged area gets a large fraction of revenue from tourism; such losses will stretch into future and I don’t think they can be estimated now. Another, high-flying estimate for Irma, 300 billions is here:


    Economic cost of Hurricane Irma 'could reach $300bn' | Business | The Guardian


    For Irma and Leeward Island to Cuba, no comprehensive estimate appears to exist yet. Hoping it will be less than Irma in Florida.


    For comparison, Hurricane Katrina in 2005 had total cost in range of 100 to 150 billions, with one ‘high-flyer’ estimate of 250. After so long it is hard to understand why that range remains so wide. Perhaps it is a matter of defining losses.


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    People interested in Branson and Necker Island, see these:

    Recovering from Hurricane Irma | Virgin

    Richard Branson reveals damage to Necker Island after Hurricane Irma destroyed it | Metro News


    Major message from those is to please focus on other islands with very large damages. Lacking any information I presume that Necker Island animals are dead. Sir B. can afford new ones I guess.
     
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    you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
     
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