2010 Prius still shakes after head gasket job and EGR + intake cleaning

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    Hello,

    My 2010 Prius had a blown head gasket with the typical symptoms of rough shaking, white smoke, and low coolant levels. I went ahead and did the job myself and followed a lot of the suggestions from this forum. I made sure to check for warpage, valve leaks, piston/rod condition, replaced water pump, replaced thermostat, replaced PVC valve, and replaced all required gaskets with OEM.

    The car ran smooth at first with the symptoms clearing up. I took it on a test drive for about 5 miles before I started to notice some minor shaking coming from the front.

    I assumed it was probably the EGR and intake causing it because I only cleaned them a briefly, so I took the intake & EGR out to thoroughly clean them. This time around I cleaned them until there was no carbon left in both components. I used oven degreaser for the EGR cooler, parts cleaner for the EGR valve, and purple power for the intake manifold.

    I just put the intake and EGR back onto the car and now it shakes violently upon start up. I scanned for codes and saw nothing. I let the car run for about a minute to see if maybe it would clear up or perhaps a code would pop up eventually, but neither occurred. I had a local Toyota technician stop by my house to assess the car and he suggests the shaking is coming from the transmission. He says it's possibly a component within the transmission which might have come loose that's causing this shake. I'm not too familiar with the transmissions in the hybrid Toyotas, so I am in need of help with diagnosing the problem.

    I am posting on this forum for possible leads/ second opinions on what could be the issue? What are some other diagnostic tests I should complete?
     
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    Did you take the head to a machine shop to get it looked at?

    Did you double-check the timing of the camshafts to the crankshaft?

    There is a damper that is located between the engine and transmission. The springs in the damper can break because of the misfires due to the bad head gasket. How long (miles and time) did you drive the car after you first noticed the shaking during a cold startup?
     
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    Did you check the head & block for warps with a straight edge? Did you replace the head/stretch bolts, used a quality head gasket, torque-down the head bolts per OEM specifications and pattern?
     
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    First, let's hope a rod was not ready to bend or break or the transaxle damper springs have not broken.

    I have seen head bolts that were not torqued properly pop a hg again.

    Compression test for serious rod or piston issues and a borescope with coolant system pressure for a possible repeat head gasket.

    This symptom is key. Hopefully it was with the engine running and car moving and not immediately after a stop light and subsequent engine start.

    Your definition of "minor shaking" is important. Was it way less than the violent shaking pre head gasket? If so it could have been a vacuum leak or similar now made worse after tearing down the intake and egr again. Maybe the plugs are now fouled by fuel or coolant or some hose is disconnected.
     
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    What miles did symptoms start at, and what miles did you do the head gasket replacement and (eventual) thorough EGR cleaning? Aforementioned damper (at engine /transaxle interface) and/or bent piston arm(s) are possible factors. Or another head gasket failure, depending on the delay between head gasket replacement and EGR cleaning.
     
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    I inspected the head and block with a straight edge and feeler gauge multiple times before reinstalling. Not even 0.0015th of an inch (0.04mm) could fit between the straight edge and block/head. I thought it was good enough based on the information from the repair manual found on this forum (0.05mm being the maximum warpage). I didn't take it to the machine shop based on my assessment and I didn't want to risk having the head machined if it wasn't needed which could cause timing issues if the head was machined too much.

    I doublechecked the timing and made sure to lock the cam with a folded towel before taking it off. The timing marks were lined up and I quadruple checked before putting the tensioner on.

    I drove it no more than 5 miles before I parked it in my garage to redo the EGR and manifold cleaning since the small intermittent rattle/shake was bothering me.

    Do you have the specific name of that damper so I can research it more?

    Yes, I checked the head and block with a straight edge and feeler gauge. Not even 0.0015th of an inch or 0.04mm could fit between the straight edge & block/head. New headbolts and gasket from Felpro were used. I torqued them down to OEM specification with the right torque, pattern, and additional degrees.

    I'll do a compression test with borescope today. Just need to find an autozone that'll have both ready to loan.

    The first time I started the Prius after the head gasket it had the violent shake with some puffs of white smoke, but was expected and cleared up. The Prius idled smooth for about 10 minutes in maintenance mode before I decided to take it for a test drive. I drove it less than 5 miles before I noticed a minor shake that was less violent than the pre-head gasket. When I parked the car and let it idle after that I did notice there was a minor shake that was intermittent.

    That was when I decided to pull it in my garage and worked on cleaning the EGR and intake manifold. It took me about 2 weeks of soaking and rinsing with a pressure washer to get all the carbon cleaned out. Started the car 2 days ago after assembling everything and now it's a violent shake like pre-headgasket that is continuous.

    The Prius has 180K lifetime miles. I drove it for at most 5 miles after doing the headgasket job before parking it and haven't driven it since. At the end of the drive at maybe mile 4-5 I noticed the minor shaking which is when I decided to park and let it idle. I observed intermittent minor shaking that was a fraction of what the shaking was pre-headgasket. From then I decided not to drive it and did the EGR and intake cleaning which took about 2 weeks. There was only a delay in cleaning because there was so much build up and I needed to soak the parts and rinse them out numerous times.

    Started the Prius up 2 days ago with all clean intake and EGR system and was met with a violent shake that was continuous. The shake was on a similiar level to pre-headgasket shaking.
     
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    Sounds like you got right on the EGR cleaning.

    Still this question:

    If it was protracted time/months, could be aforementioned bent piston arm and/or engine/transaxle damper failure.
     
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    Sorry; I've NEVER experienced a violent shake or white smoke after a valve job or head gasket replacement. Something could've gotten bent and the head gasket could've blown again.

    Sorry....
     
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    Thank you for all the details in post #6. I had missed the fact that the violent shaking happened after the EGR system cleaning.

    I assume that you cleaned the EGR valve. Can you please describe in detail how you did the cleaning.

    The only thing I can think of is that after you cleaned the EGR valve, the valve was not fully closed when you installed it back into the car. The other posability is that you have a vacuum leak downstream of the EGR valve.

    I assume you have not driven the car after cleaning the EGR system. What happens if you press the gas pedal when the engine is running? Does the engine smooth out?
     
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    I think I would have inspected my work first and further driven it.

    A common misconception is a clogged egr could cause a violent shake. Not so. A sticking open egr at idle could cause minor roughness; the egr flow is designed to be closed off at low rpms and wide open throttle.

    Regardless you should do the compression and borescope testing. Compression will show bent rods or holes in a piston. Cheap borescopes may not be clear enough or provide dual views. Since you already had a hg issue, just looking for steam cleaned pistons is not diagnostic in your repeat case. You need to see pressurized coolant seeping in.

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    Priuschat's reaction years ago to severe rattles started out as "egr cleaning" or "morning condensation." It took a few years for most to realize hg problems on gen3s were epidemic (even the Car Care Nut had not realized it until he had his own shop) and gen3s do not require overheating to blow a hg, the common cause for most engines. Then it was a "diy" head gasket will do it. But pro shops and dealers always knew simple hg problems on these engines often fail and would give those shops warranty problems. Now some are recognizing a pro rebuilt engine is a better solution but the US cars are so old it's rarely worth it. In that case, I feel a JDM engine is the less risky alternative to a hg job but still can fail based on the luck of the draw. I believe there are a few 2018-22 gen3 JDM engines with parts improvements but knowing if you are getting a 2011 vs a 2022 is next to impossible.