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Guys, come down! You're forgetting that I already own a Prius (actually 2). I could see this being more of the issue in Italy. A couple years...
that limits it to people who make money by driving: cabbies, pizza delivery guys, etc
beg to differ. I ran numbers and the cheapest TOC car in US is Mitsubishi Mirage. Prius C was right there, that's why we picked it up. If you...
I guess the bottom line just MPG doesn't cut it anymore. I drive x2 times over national average, and burn 45-50gal a month. 10% improvement will...
Well Mazda is talking about 30% improvement with SkyActiv2. How? Switching to HCCI and 1:18 CR. I agree with you unless you go to radically...
Does anyone know what were the HSD losses in Gen3? Is it 20% of 5% or is it 20% of 20%?
that makes sense and would explain drop in ICE power output: they prioritized low end torque to compensate for it. In ICE realm improving low end...
GM must be really happy; who is the bad guy now?
look who is taking...
Very true. Though it is hard them to beat now (sadly) discontinued Energy Savers. EP422 were only half way there. When we switched from EP20 to...
Well we don't really know until official EPA numbers are out. I am not hang up on numbers one way or another, just trying to understand if it is...
Yes it is. EcoModder has a list of the cars. Gen4 should have 6.0 CdA, 4% less
How did you get 6.2 in the first place? new Prius is 1,760 mm wide, 1470 mm tall, or 69.3" by 57.8'. 5' 9.3" by 4'9.8" give you 6.0 sq ft?
I do not see frontal area change by that much -0.2sq ft.
I've used the "conservative" numbers. I agree with you if 57MPG confirmed most of the gains come from these, not from engine and aerodrag. And...
Jay wants.. my back of the napkin calculations show 4% reduction in Cd and 0.5% reduction in frontal area, so 4.5%? Keep in mind that EPA is...
the profile on Gen3 and Gen4 isn't drastically different, how much more precision on top of 0.5% do you need?
So on JC08 Gen4 is 21.7% better than Gen3? Since JC08 is centered around city cycle, we can expect similar showings on EPA city. Even if highway...
0.48% reduction in frontal area, marginal?
