I came across some info on 2nd gen Prius threads where this situation was due to a bad blend door. Before I start digging around, is this first thing yall would check? Anything to keep an eye out? Also some folks appear to have been able to fix theirs too, is that recommended? Thanks folks!
Good place to check but is cold air coming out from somewhere else if the blend door is bad that's just going to put your air out some other vents or something along those lines if the air conditioner will turn on and it's running and it's on truly LO not 77° no heat is being introduced into the system to blend with the cold then somewhere cold should be coming out of some hole One would think anyway I'm starting to have trouble with the door that moves that same air I don't know if that's the blend door or is it called something else I would think the blend door would be the door that would move and allow heat to be added to the cold to come up with a temperature that you want coming out the vents like 77° so on and so forth so what exactly happens when the car is driving the air just disappears?
Yes, the blend door is what controls the blend between air that goes through the heater core, and air that goes around the heater core. Air that goes around the heater core doesn't get hotter. Air that goes through the heater core does get hotter (except when the heater core isn't hot). The heater core is always hot when the engine is warmed up and the water pump is turning. So the position of the blend door controls how much hotter the air gets. If the door is all the way "around the heater core", the air doesn't get hotter at all. If the door is all the way "through the heater core", the air gets lots hotter. In cold weather, when you really want heat, the water pump keeps running even when the engine is stopped, so hot coolant keeps flowing through the heater core and the air stays hot. In hot weather, when you're trying to cool, there's no reason for the water pump to stay on when the engine is stopped, so the water pump stops then too, and then the heater core doesn't add heat. So if your blend door is stuck directing air through the heater core when you are trying to cool, you end up getting cool air when the engine is stopped, and hot air when the engine is running.
So the heater core in the Prius is nothing like the heater core in a regular car or the valve that controls it so in other words there's no valve when I turn my Prius down to low lol that's still allowing the heater core to have heat on it in it meaning that heat is radiating from that thing on the firewall but in the cabin seriously well that's pretty fubar. So then the only way to get the heater for to not fill with heat in the summer is to pull the hoses on the firewall and put them together not allowing coolant to flow through the heater core at all in the summer well I wonder what kind of difference it'll make in the car internal heat I've never been hot before in the Prius personally I know some people are and with the heater core staying hot all the time because it has no valve to turn it off for whatever reason that's something I guess there must be some other cars like this too I know my Corollas I turn the heat off heater core is as cool as the inside of the car is.
The last car I worked on that used a valve on the water side of the heater core was an ex's 1965 Galaxie 500. (I remember a newer car that worked that way too, a Mitsubishi from the early '70s.) The always-hot heater core with a blend door that sends the air either through or around it, and no water valve, is pretty common in "a regular car" in recent decades. You feel the temperature change immediately when the blend door moves. People like that. And in a Prius, "my A/C blows cold when the engine's off but blows hot when the engine's on" is pretty much pathognomonic of a blend door that's stuck in the heating position. What year Corollas? I looked up a random 2016 Corolla heater core piping diagram ... no water valve.
Yeah I generally drive really old cars like 82 Corollas 74 Corollas stuff like that but at least down here in this house I know in a pinch I can just put the heater hoses together outside under the hood and then have no heat anywhere in the cabin isolated insulated or not It just won't be there I mean even in the winter I don't run much heat I'll put it on you know when it's icing and what have you but that's about it I'm in my outdoor clothes. So I just reconnected in about late December and then in May put the connector in and put the hoses together because the summer's long and hot and hotter as the years move forward it seems.
ok so now I have some time to fiddle around with our prius, I'm realizing that the blend door seems to be in a rough position behind glove box. are there any tips to getting this done or is it a pita where we need to take a good bit of the dash apart?
Behind the glove box is reasonable access take the shock absorber damper thingy off the lower glove box the right side it's a slips off let it hang squeeze the glove box at its edges and it just falls out and hits your knees lift it up set it behind the driver seat You should be able to leave the upper glove box intact If not be careful taking out the screws and withdrawing it because it's very sun damaged and the hinges and the spring mounts for the door opening up automatically will easily break. Other than that I really not fooled with the motors that operate the damper doors and all that should be pretty straightforward whether you can get away with cleaning Them internally or what has to happen parts car replacement buying new not sure about that.
yep, I had the glovebox and that little cover under the glovebox removed but even then still extremely tight to try to get something in there to unscrew it off.. looking at how it functions from under the dash, clearly it has a problem, moving from cold to hot and back shows it attempting to turn the gear but it barely budges. thought that it was definitely a bad servo but interestingly after my wife had driven it yesterday, i show that it actually properly turned the gear but sadly not all the way so it was still letting a little bit of the hot air from the engine come through. for s&gs, i fiddled with the temp again, as soon as i moved it to heat, the gear actually moved pretty smoothly across 5 or 6 teeth and then stopped..when i moved it back to cold, the gear attempted to turn the other way but stopped before half a tooth... are broken teeth common on these? i searched through the forum and aside from one person who thought that they saw broken teeth, it doesn't appear like a common problem and not sure how it would have broken i'll try to have it out this weekend to truly answer the question lol
You could always put the damper door where you want it for the given season and unplug it so it doesn't move no matter what the person in the car does. Probably inconvenient but it'll keep it at one place or the other until you bite the bullet and tear the mess down and replace whatever goes on in there whether it's the potentiometer or whatever the electronic pieces in there that aren't work I don't think it's gears that break but hey maybe so.
Yep I was thinking of just turning it myself until I either fix or replace the servo but it currently won't budge until I imagine I actually unscrew the servo off lol
In some cases some part of the door has busted or come unconnected or jammed inside the heater enclosure. There was a thread here where somebody did some kind of amateur-laparoscopic surgery with skinny screwdrivers or chopsticks or something and got it reconnected without all the expected disassembly. I'm not sure I can think of an easy way to search up that thread.
Yeesh...hope it isn't that intensive...just bad luck? I could see the servo motor going bad since we have 5 cats, it kind of seems to sit out in the open between the glovebox and center console, so maybe it was getting a bit hairy It would be weird for the door to break since we live in AZ, it is almost exclusively blowing cold air, we have rarely used the heat throughout the years. I would imagine folks that routinely go between hot & cold would experience this over folks in our situation.
It's probably the dry heat and intensity of said heat with windows rolled up and so on that's probably helped mess the servo up actually maybe not If you maybe spray some WD-40 on the little shaft or whatever that passes through but creates the lever sometimes you can get it to move if something is broken there and really gotten jammed against something else then not so much.
So update.. Man, those 3 screws are the worst to get to because of that little air tube that runs directly in front of the servo as it doesn't appear that it is removable. With a lot of patience, I was able to get the bottom screw off using a small offset screwdriver. Then I was able to get about halfway of the screw above that one before calling it over the weekend. I can't imagine how I can fit anything to get that last screw in the back.. Yall have some good suggestions for tough to reach screws? I thought using a tiny socket wrench would work but none of my tools are really small enough to work except for these tiny offset screwdrivers but it will be of no use for the screw in the back!
The repair manual will flat out say to take the dash out first. After that, access is easy. Figuring out how (starting with whether) you can do the repair in less work than that is a personal exercise.
Finally got that sucker out after a combination of all the small tools I had and luckily it was definitely the servo that went bad. I don't see any broken teeth and I was able to turn the black gear on the core all the way in either direction. Then was able to test and yup, AC stays cold now while the engine is on. Pray for me when it comes to if I ever get around to installing a working servo
Went to the local pick a part and they have a 3rd gen with its servo still inside, $10 bucks for it, gonna try it versus a brand new one