EMERGENCY: Check Engine Light, etc.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Hybrid Hobo, Mar 14, 2025.

  1. dolj

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    I agree, that's why I'm asking. I think we'd all like to know how much the oil was below the L mark to know for sure how bad it was.

    Another reason I'm asking, is a lot of people see the oil level at the L mark or below (but still registering on the dipstick) as "I was out of oil" or as in this case, "almost empty," I'd just like to clarify the situation here, just so we all know for sure, that is all.
     
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    A few people have asked about the oil level when we checked it. I've attached a sample photo below for reference (diregard the text on the photo, as I pulled it from online). The arrow indicates roughly how much was left. Again, I had my oil change roughly 4 or 5 weeks ago. It should be fully topped up...or close.

    oil level ok — Postimages

    I had a similar issue prior to getting that oil change 4 or 5 weeks ago that I posted about here. I was only about 2 or 3 weeks late on the suggested refill sticker they usually put on your windshield. While driving on the highway, the MAINTENANCE REQUIRED light blinked a few times. Someone on PC mentioned needing oil, so I got it taken care of, and the light never came on again. No issues with the car since then until the episode on Friday.

    It appears that I'm losing oil either through burning or a leak, but I could be wrong.

    To make matters worse, the Autel app has a bug (which the app itself admits to) and isn't operable. I will NEVER buy another Autel product again. Shitty app, shitty reviews (1.9 stars in Google Play store), and horrible customer service. So...I cannot pull any codes before bringing it to my mechanic tomorrow.

    I've downloaded Dr. Prius in the hopes of using it today, but can someone recommend an OBD device that is compatible with it that I can buy locally at Walmart, Autozone, etc.? Or even a standalone unit that can pull codes WITHOUT needing Dr. Prius is fine.

    If I have to order one online I obviously won't get it before bringing my car to the mechanic.
     
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    Carista OBD Adapter is what I'm using, works well. I see it at Walmart.com, plus a lot of similar. Not sure about brick-and-mortar store availability.
     
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    The Maintenance Required light just means it is close to 5,000 miles since the last oil change or at least since the last time the Maintenance Required light was reset. It has nothing to do with an engine problem.

    Oil burning is pretty common with an old gen2 and yours is severe no matter how you judge it. Down to the bottom of the dipstick in a month is severe even if it was driven 2500 miles a month.

    It needs another engine to fix the oil consumption. Running out of oil kills engines. Oil burning is not obvious with smoke out of exhaust because of the high dollar catalytic converter.

    As stated above, without repairing it, the oil level should be checked often. If you are only driving the car, check it every time you get gas. If you are doing long idles in the car, things are worse and oil should be checked weekly even if you don't need gas. It's a good idea to buy oil in advance and have it ready to use.
     
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    UPDATE: I picked up an el cheapo OBD reader at Walmart. Plugged it in and performed the diagnostic test twice for accuracy.

    Both times only a single code appeared, P0301. After looking it up online, apparently my engine had a misfire in cylinder 1.

    So here are my questions...

    *Could this JUST be a simple spark plug or coil issue?

    *Would either of the above cause loss/burning of oil?

    I hope that I can get the car into my mechanic tomorrow, but he's usually very booked. So it might be a few days or longer. I'll know in the morning.

    P.S. - Should I chance driving to my mechanic about 9 miles away? I'd rather not have to pay $100 for a flatbed, as that's the price I was quoted. But I also don't want to risk damaging the engine or anything else.
     
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    An ignition misfire can be as simple as a plug or a coil problem. However, there's no type of coil or plug fault that would create, stop, or alter the rate of an oil leak. So this new info suggests that (at best) you have a simple coil or plug problem PLUS a significant oil loss problem- Two problems.

    Another possibility- if you have a lot of oil leaking into cylinder #1 that could account for the misfire issue, even with healthy coil and plug in place. This will probably become apparent when somebody removes that spark plug and compares it to its neighbors.

    When the car flashes the check engine indicator, it thinks the misfire is severe enough to cause permanent engine damage. A lean-fuel misfire does have the potential to melt a piston if left unchecked.

    In your shoes I might risk driving it to the mechanic, but if you see that indicator flashing again you need to pull over and shut down immediately and have the car towed from wherever you stop. Again, flashing means the computer is detecting something that is capable of permanent engine damage beyond whatever is already wrong.
     
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    Thanks, Leadfoot. That all makes sense and sounds reasonable.

    So, let's just assume that the first issue is a bad spark plug or coil pack (hopefully). That still leaves the leak or burning issue.

    While I haven't noticed any oil leaks, I haven't necessarily been looking for one. Which means a leak is still a possibility. I'm guessing this would be a lot easier to fix. For example, if the oil pan had a crack in it or something. I'll cross my fingers that this (or something similar) is the case. However...

    If indeed it turns out to be a burning issue, I definitely wouldn't pay for a new engine, or even to rebuild my current one. In this scenario putting a quart or two of oil into the car every 2 weeks is still MUCH less than buying a new car.

    If I opted to go this route - provided I fix the first issue of course - is it feasible that I could get another year or two out of the car?
     
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    We don't know this, as the level was not checked at the time of the oil change and it is only assumed it was filled to the top mark.

    Assumptions are the enemy of good diagnosis.
     
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    Grasping at straws to save that worn out engine?

    It is likely and common the oil change was overfilled. I have never seen an under filled oil change.
     
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    More like not jumping to conclusions based on assumptions or facts not in evidence.
     
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    The car may run for a year or two, but it will cause problems on an increasing basis.

    When oil starts to fly into the exhaust pipe, it will finally clog the catalyst, it will stop working, and errors will appear on the catalyst.
    The check engine light will constantly be on on the dashboard.
    Problems with an unevenly running engine may begin, and fuel consumption will increase.
    In some states, you will not pass the technical inspection.
     
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    Did we ever confirm that the oil pan drain plug is in place and not leaking? There have been lots (LOTS) of instances where oil changes went very wrong because the shop forgot the aluminum gasket or didn't tighten the bolt enough. Sometimes the oil filter isn't on right. Both of these leave an oily mess on the bottom of the car. My father once had an oil change done where they forgot to put the oil cap back on - which resulted in oil blowing all over the engine compartment.

    How much oil was it using previously? Cars tend to develop oil ring problems slowly, so that the rate of oil consumption goes up, but typically only a slight change from one oil change to the next. If the car suddenly loses a very large amount of oil it is more often a new leak than burning oil (past the rings). In roughly the order of most common/least serious to least common/most serious the locations could be:

    1. failure to seal at drain plug (no crush washer or wrong torque)
    2. poor seal at oil filter (double gasket or wrong torque)
    3. drain pan gasket leak
    4. valve cover gasket leak
    5. hole in drain pan (usually road debris or collision)
    6. blown head gasket
    7. rear seal leak
    8. cracked block
    I don't have hard numbers, but would wager that the first one is more common than all the others combined, and that second one is more common than all the ones which follow it combined.
     
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    From what I've learned here thus far, it seems that older Prius' tend to start burning fuel at a certain point. This sounds logical and makes sense. But I'm not 100% convinced that mine is. Yet anyways.

    This oil issue only started recently, about 5 or 6 weeks ago.

    I've been going to Valvoline religiously for the past 3 years. Every 3 to 4 months on average. On more than one occasion, I've gone in, and they would tell me that I still had oil...to come back in a month or so! However...

    The first sign of an issue - as mentioned above - was about 6 weeks back. The maintenance required light came on while I was zipping down the highway. This seemed odd because I was only 2 or 3 weeks late outside of the recommended refill sticker they put on my window. And again, I usually get turned away due to NOT needing oil!

    But I got the oil change after this incident, and the maintenance required light never came back on. No signs of any other issues until the check engine episode on Friday.

    If I am burning gas, I'm assuming that I would've noticed a decline over recent quarters. While I haven't been tracking it at all to say definitively, I've noticed nothing out of the ordinary prior to the 2 incidents mentioned prior.

    While I'm not ruling out oil burning due to the age of the car, my gut is telling me that there's another culprit that's responsible. At least I hope so anyway!
     
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    It would be difficult for your mechanic to make that kind of prediction after he looks at your car. It's impossible for me, never having seen your car.

    I can say that "the usual problems" with an oil-burning Prius of that vintage are as max2 relates: eventually the catalytic converter will clog and fail, or you will eventually fail to keep up with the rate of loss and the engine will seize due to lack of oil. Rate of loss can change without warning.

    Some people have kept them going for years- but that all starts after your guy checks the car out to make sure it isn't already worse than this.

    Oh and while it may have been obvious I'll write it out all the same: if you are going to try driving it to your mechanic or anywhere else, make certain you top up the oil first.
     
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    You're an okay shape Just keep the oil full. You've got an aluminum hood It doesn't weigh anything I can even pick it up when my arms broken. So just keep oil in it and keep an eye on how often you're adding said oil I have a '09 that uses oil It takes about 10 days and it'll be down to the very tip of the stick I add about 1.6 quarts brings it up to the full mark and I'm good for 10 more days or right around a thousand or so miles of mixed driving not all highway not all city and town but mixed and this been doing this for ever since I got the car over 5 years now car doesn't have any problems nothing it's just now starting to get the camshaft and crankshaft timing code when I change the oil and clear the code It's 2,000 miles into the oil change and the code starts to come back The car doesn't run any different gets the same gas mileage but it tells me the cam and crank are not in sync like it's expected to be car still runs great has ice cold air conditioning idles perfectly no issues so I add oil when needed and keep driving this is my work vehicle it's the most trashed of the four I have It's the hall parts and service stuff in for my service calls Not much else still runs like a champ we pretty much leave it alone I'm considering dropping another engine that I have sitting here maybe but this one will probably just keep running. And I wind up doing nothing We will see My daughter uses it a lot and out of hauler dogs around.
     
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    Just spoke to my mechanic. I'm having the car sent to him on a flatbed. Hopefully I get the lowdown later today or tomorrow morning.

    THANK YOU to everyone that chimed in. I owned a forum in the past (not car related). And I can definitively say that the REAL value of any forum is the members. Without them, and their knowledge & opinions, a forum is simply a messaging site.

    You guys are a TRUE asset for Prius owners (y)
     
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    Maintenance required light is just an indication of a counter on the odometer. If it came on after an oil change it just means the people who did that oil change didn't reset the counter. It is easy to do yourself:

    1. Press the odometer button until the odometer reading shows (that is, instead of a trip reading).
    2. Turn off the car.
    3. While holding the odometer button turn on the car.
    4. The place where the odometer numbers are will be filled with a series of dashes. Over a few seconds they will turn off one by one. Once they are all gone the maintenance has been reset.
    5. Turn the car off
     
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    Update: The mechanic called me this afternoon and told me that the car is indeed burning oil. There really is no foolproof fix unless I want to spring for a new/used or rebuilt engine.

    So it appears that I'm going to have to keep a very close eye on my oil and top it up every couple of weeks from here on out. Yes, it's a pain in the nice person, but if I can squeeze another year or two out of the Prius by doing this, it's a small price to pay. Certainly cheaper than buying a new - or even used - car.

    He replaced all of the spark plugs.

    The burning makes sense. It is why I haven't seen any leaks.

    He sent me a photo of how the oil burned out one of spark plugs, which is below. That is what caused the misfire & engine light to flash.

    Screenshot 20250317 164930 Gallery — Postimages

    Anywho, thought I'd give you guys some closure on this. I get the car back tomorrow. Thanks again for all who chimed in!
     
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    When someone is new to living with an oil-burning car I always suggest checking it before each drive, just until you get a sense of how fast it's going. Maybe every two weeks will work, but maybe you'll need it every four days.

    Better to waste a few minutes with the dipstick than to find out the hard way.

    Good luck!
     
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