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every contender is on the table.
those midsize sedans with hybrid powertrain.

accord
camry
fusion
malibu
sonata

really want to see a comparison of their performance, efficiency and so on.

we can set some criteria for hybrid midsize sedan test.
performance, 0~100km accelerate, 60~100, 80~120 or 130 km/hour accelerate
fueleconomy, real world mpg in city, freeway and so on
driving dynamic, throttle response, brake feel , steering feel, suspension and so on

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Hummm, almost quitting time. I'll help ...


Bob Wilson

ps. No one is suggesting driving after helping in the 'research.'

Is Toyota Prius hybrid simply passe now that plug-in cars are here?

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Prius’ Best Days in Rearview Mirror? | Engines content from WardsAuto

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

54.5 mpg target is off the table, U.S. regulators say

Title pretty much says it. Low gas prices with increased popularity of trucks and crossovers is sited for a new target of 50 to 53 mpg in the draft Technical Assessment Report from the EPA, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and California Air Resources Board.

There is 60 days for the public to comment one it.

At dealers as of last month.

Various reviews coming out today from a Honda press event in Napa, CA last week.

Here's mine:
2017 Honda Accord Hybrid Review – First Drive

Well, from my contact who recently saw the Pacifica Hybrid (which is exciting in my world...maybe until you hear this information).

• 8 seat option confirmed.
• Moonroof option unknown at the moment.
• There is a delay...looking at a January release now.
• There will be a trim worth $55k (lol Wth!) - he's not sure what trim.
• The Pacifica Plugin Hybrid was seen but not driven, no one got to drive it.

Ok...so I have a huge problem with the markup. If the base model is $30k, and there's a ton of battery power, doesn't it make sense to raise it $10-$15k?

In an ideal world the incentives should bring it down close to the base model of a non plugin (hybrid) version.

IE, hopefully the Prime is only $1-2k above the Prius price after incentives.

$55k is like...uhh $20k short of a Tesla? I sure hope it won't be that price.

Hey guys,

I am going to move to Las Vegas. I will need another car. Thinking about a Prius. Noticed some HOV lanes in Vegas. Are hybrids allowed to use the HOV lane without 2 or more people?

This week Tony, Russell and Mark grill Danny Cooper. Hey, did we mention Danny is back? Danny's back! And yeah, we take him apart on his trip to Japan to drive the upcoming Prius Prime.

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Keeping up with emission standards getting harder.
Toyota seeks to stop investing in diesel engines altogether: exec

So, VT and Ma have passed laws making it legal to break the windows of any car containing an animal in danger, well, we now have two prii in the driveway so that summers we can travel with the dogs, the prii are great, just leave them on with the air conditioning running and the dogs are safe and comfortable, but now some wingnut is going to be a problem sooner than later, I'm suggesting priuschat offer window stickers for sale that are rather professional looking and state that the animals are safe, and the car is running, "don't harm the car"

Interesting that there's a good secondary market for used plug-in vehicles. Though the article mentions a lot of it is in California due to the HOV sticker, folks from other parts of the country are also finding out for the first time that plug-ins aren't so weird and scary.

I know I kind of balked initially at buying a Chevy Volt new. But used, they're in the econocar territory ($14-18k), and for the most part drive much better than said econocars.

So while the high depreciation is screwing over the first owner, like any other car essentially, it's great for the second owner who can get a mostly gently used one for a fraction of the cost while they were new.

Used electric cars sell quickly even as new sales remain flat

Or "CRZya-Later" With special thanks to Tepperman's Russell Tesla driver dies while using “autopilot”. Maybe this is the end of cute Tesla names. “Autopilot” stunts Paul All time EV Sales record for June 2016 Russell VW “buyback” varies Tony Tonight, we'll see if I can fill in to revive "Danny's Honda Rant". RIP Mark New GM autonomous driving research center

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Always and excellent source: June 2016 Dashboard

	Model	16_06	16_05	16_04	16_03
1	Prius Liftback	8531	9389	8923	8130
2	Transit Diesel*	5053
3	Ram Pickup Diesel*	4437	4493	4382	4729
4	RAV4	3751	4185	3807	3073
5	Model S*	2800	1500	1700	3000
6	Fusion Hybrid	2542	1716	2035	2057
7	Model X*	2000	2000	1500	1500
8	Volt	1937	1901	1983	1865
9	Fusion Energi	1700	1453	1331	1238
10	Camry Hybrid	1649	2055	1975	1746
11	C-Max Hybrid	1486	1327	1621	1092
12	Prius C	1355	1909	1676	2607
13	Sonata	1242	2513	1788	1884
14	Prius V	1130	1215	1322	1331
15	Leaf	1096	979	787	1246
16	Colorado Diesel	789	593	731	578
17	CT200h	785	797	577	972
18	MKZ	766	805	613	608
19	RX 400 / 450 h	684	719	899	886
20	ES Hybrid	646	735	700	894
21	C-Max Energi	630	538	607	610
22	Avalon Hybrid	619	660	715	776
23	i3*	608	696	814	332
24	X5	583	500	655	313
25	Highlander Hybrid	528	473	442	492
26	Optima Hybrid	483	570	483	436
27	Malibu Hybrid	371	246	1	2
28	Spark	359	394	419	252
29	A3 Plug In	353	361	321	332
30	Grand Cherokee...

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Bob Wilson

Hybrid and electric cars were the rage when gas prices where high. The grandfather of the category has been the Toyota (NYSE: TM) which recently fell on very hard times. Sales of the hybrid were off 26.7% to 11,027 in June and 25.2% to 67,405 for the first six months. Incentives on the Pruis have dropped to .9% for 72 months.



The Prius first came off the production line in 1997. Toyota has sold 3.7 million worldwide since then. Recently sales have been challenged by an army of other hybrids and the new found attraction of all electric cars like the Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) Model 3 which will be priced at $35,000 before government incentives, that could be several thousands of dollars more. That will bring the car to about the same price level as a well-outfitted Prius. Granted, the Tesla will not be available until 2017, but the company has several hundred thousands of orders.

Virtually every large global manufacturer has one or more hybrid models. This was not the case when the...

I wonder if it's an FCV.
Toyota patent filing shows another hope for the flying car

If anyone's interested, I just wrapped up and published my review of the 2016 RAV4 Hybrid. All-in-all, I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did. The overall MPG it delivered seriously surprised me.

Check it out here: 2016 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid » What Drives Us

Russell First impressions driving the 4G prius. and, more prius So is Toyota really taking steps towards more EVs... and then Tony Toyota recall that hits hybrid owners Mark LA uses power saved from LED street lights to power electric cars. Have posted story on WDU FB as well Paul VW settled? Mostly, yes. Tony Looks like Fusco is heading back to the gas station after all

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