Musk on Mars

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  1. Trollbait

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    Corn originated in Central America, as well as potatoes. There is also other starch crops available to those regions.
     
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    I can guarantee that the globe has warmed about half the time since the planet formed about 4.6 billion years ago. It has cooled the other half of the time. This is not to say we should keep emitting carbon unsustainably, but the crops are not all going to die on us.
     
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    encouraging farming anywhere is a good thing, including the usa. but with all our food, we still have trouble feeding our own people for some reason. and that's under both parties, historically
     
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    The basic building blocks of international diplomacy and agreements between nations is why that food matters. But if you want to talk about the history of US teaching 3rd world people to farm, that green revolution made them dependent on corporate well drillers and chemical manufactures which has led to an epidemic of suicides in farmers in places like India because corporate agriculture robbed them of their ability to farm in an affordable way.
     
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    How would those farmers fare with the US just giving their customers free food?
     
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    It's actually quite beneficial... For example a billion dollars of food stamps in the US contributes $1.5 billion to the US GDP... It creates healthier and better educated workers for the future because when kids have enough to eat they are healthier and mre able to learn what is being taught in school.

    More to the point one of the most toxic traits of capitalism is the notion that sharing food and resources is immoral and you need to get as much as you can for yourself no matter how much it hurts other people or ecosystems.
     
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    Never served directly, but we did have a Ministry supporting troops and Camp Pendleton, ironically where my dad had basic training. That was much easier than taking care of 96-year-old marine/ww2 pacific theater dad as he withered away from cancer, having to clean him up - along with help from my sister.

    True and wise words to be certain. but.....
    There's nothing wrong with ascending food overseas period just like there's nothing wrong with keeping Death row inmates alive for decades But if people really Want to put their money where their mouth is - those that want to - should not be forcing those who don't want to help. We work the food bank at our church and it's always an irony how many people get indignant if you want to tie the free stuff to showing that they're out there trying to get a job. 2nd Thessalonians 3:10 says it best.
    ......... if you don't work, you don't need.
     
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    Fears do not create hazards. Being afraid of a food shortage does not mean it will happen.
    If there's one thing we always seem to do, it's to create food surpluses. Commercial interests are always trying to create shortages and perceptions of shortages for their own benefit. At least that's what I saw working in the industry.
     
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    That doesn't answer the question.
    You stated teaching 3rd world farmers American agricultural practices, which isn't what I'm calling for by the way, leads to harming the farmers. How will giving the people free food from the US not impact the local farmers in a harmful way.
     
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    Did Jesus say or write that?

    I learned from him:
    • Feed with five loaves of bread and two fish
    • Offer the other cheek if someone strikes you
    • Forgive your brother 7 times 7 (i.e., 49 times)
    • Take a whip to money changers in the Temple
    As for capital punishment, a life sentence in an Alabama prison might be worse. I prefer such criminals live a long and unhappy life, There have been too many innocent, death row prisoners release because sometimes the courts screw up. Capital punishment is way more expensive per inmate than incarceration for life.

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    The Thessalonians bit really is in there. Of course that was Paul talking. Paul had a lot of ideas.
     
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    Does anyone really think that making ourselves scared to death will result in a better world?
     
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    what are we scared of?
     
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    Some call it "alarmism" others seem to think it's necessary. You know my opinion is that it's not useful.
     
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    besides the current admin
     
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    Yup - in 2 Timothy 3:16
     
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    Who says he could write?
     
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    The writer to Timothy was the Apostle Paul,

    Paul the Apostle - Wikipedia

    a Jewish Pharisee who (later became a Christian) spoke & wrote in both Hebrew & Greek. Asking whether Paul could write would be like asking whether the 1st century historian Josephus could write.

    Josephus - Wikipedia

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    A Unitarian, we are sometimes classified as part of the anabaptist theologies who do our best to follow Jesus and tend to be suspicious of corporate Church practices. There are consequences:

    How many Unitarian Universalists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    It Takes 300:
    • 12 to sit on the board which appoints the nominating and personnel committee.
    • 5 to sit on the the nominating and personnel committee which appoints the House committee.
    • 8 to sit on the house committee which appoints the light bulb changing committee.
    • 4 to sit on the light bulb-changing committee which chooses who will screw in the light bulb. 3 of those 4 then give their own opinion of “screwing in methods” while the one actually does the installation.
    • After completion it takes 100 individuals to complain about the method of installation, another 177 to debate the ecological impact of using the light bulb at all, and at least one to insist that back in her day the lit chalice was quite enough.
    For my part, I notice both sides of the Civil War had many Christians who fought to their deaths. Bible study soon reveals we can always find some passage that supports our personal point of view. For example, eating pork which is banned in some parts but blessed in others.

    So I prefer to follow what Jesus taught us and consider the rest debatable. One exception, Proverbs which has a lot of common sense if not always consistent (i.e., treatment of "fools".)

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    He Paul or he Jesus?

    I've never seen it suggested that either one was illiterate....