Well absolutely nobody responded to my thread lol THANKS - OK here was the deal a previous owner did a half nice person job of upgrading the speakers and one of the connectors came off and was shorting out the sound - OK I had already decided that new speaker wires were the way to go as factory are pretty tiny - Do not be afraid to try this as it was pretty easy the rear door grommets are the worst but very doable anyway I decided to add a little subwoofer and pulled the console 4 screws in the front and 2 bolts under carpet patch in bottom - I am making this post for anyone with similar problems or ambitions
