You make an ascinine statement, try to defend it when the falicy of it is pointed out and now claim it isn't important and that I'm harassing you?? It is important...someone here reading this may have now or have had cancer in the past or may have a close family member who has cancer. Your statements are hurtful and imply that thier life and their value is less than that of someone of 'pure genetics'. You can't just throw out ignorant statements like that then later say "it isn't important". Those things are hurtful and the value of human life is important. If trying to educate you and better inform you is the same as harrassement then I'm guilty as charged, but don't think I'll refrain from it if you persist in your denial of the facts.
Roger, I think the other thing that is irksome are your repeated "pleas" to 'calm down', 'just leave it', etc. ( for example "efusco, you entirely missed the point. But it doesnt matter." my emphasis.) When I was 5 years old I used to use this technique precisely to get a rise out of my little sister. While pinning her down I would say 'calm down' knowing full well that it would only enrage her. About the "acidic/alkaline" thing. This certainly flys in the face of both allopathic (MD) style medicine as well as currently accepted CAM (complimentary/alternative medicine) at least as sanctioned by the American Board of Holistic Medicine; And until proven in appropriately refereed and reproducable studies remains "Snake Oil" Jonathan L. Chu, MD
are you not just upset that Lance Armstrong didnt die instead of winning the last 5 tour de frances??
oh, so my request you found irksome. Tough. If I want someone to calm down and not get excited unnecessarily by a misinterpretation of what I have said, then I'll say so, and if you get irked by it then that's your problem. And I dont support the acidic alkaline thing.. I do not believe anything until it is proven to me, but I'm not stupid enough to dismiss anything without proof to the contrary. My dad is a pathologist who specialises in cytology and I asked him about it, and it was news to him.. but he wasnt stupid enough to instantly dismiss it as snake oil like you seem to do. You would do well to have a more open mind. And why does it seem like "doctors" never want to know anything other than what they learned in school. In my opinion, they don't deserve the honorary title of "doctor" they should be called prescriptionists instead. do you know how hard it is to find one who even has any idea what a cluster headache is? 20 mins researching it on the net gives you more of an understanding than most doctors. some haven't even heard of it.. why is that? because they just cant be bothered to learn more about something? I know far more than any doctor about ch's execpt maybe one in the world who decided to specialise in them. your average doctor - not a clue. sad really. oh and heaven forbid if you try to show that you know more about it than the doctor!
This thread has become truly hilarious. Apparently we all needed a lecture on micro-pathophysiology and the physics of natural selection. Thanks Roger, I'd never have known how all that worked without your help. And who would have known that an effective cure for cancer was interfering with nature? I guess we should let the smallpox that exists only in a few world laboratories back out into the world. Wouldn't want to interfere with natural selection and all.
don't be ridiculous. of course we want to interfere with natural selection. Still missing the point I see.
So it's OK to interfere with natural selection for smallpox, but not for cancer? And don't go back to your "gene" theory. First of all as has already been stated elsewhere, not all cancer is related to genetics but even when it is, carrying a gene that predisposes one to a certain kind of cancer does NOT make one inferior. That is a personal conclusion that has NOTHING to do with science. You are very right, I don't get it. But I'm begining to realize that I don't think I want to. I'll stick with the scientific method.
I cant believe you just cant see what I'm saying. surely you're not that stupid. Yes, it is ok to interfere with natural selection for cancer and any other life threatening disease, and any freak accident. cure everyone! fix everyone up! thats what we want! it just isnt what nature would have happen. That is all! thats all I'm saying! can you understand that?! it really isnt hard to comprehend.
"In the absence of data you can have any opinion you wish" Dr. Tom Garettie This thread has sure taken some twists. I would have been surprised if the car had a ash tray. In the past 4 cars I have purchased in the past 5 years none have had a ash tray or a lighter. The "smokers package" was optional dealer add on. And on a final note, in the spirit of the season "let them die and decrease the surplus population" No sleep for me tonight.
Hey Roger. Yes I think we understand that nature, ie. evolution ala Darwin would not 'save' a specific person suffering cancer or whatever other disease. We could increase the scope of the discussion to include the possibility that evolution includes the changes humans have made to theselves in the realm of medicine that allows them to cure someone of a disease they would have died from prior to the evolution. How is a bird with a longer beak, thus able to get more food, passing that trait along to its offspring different from a human who learns better farming techniques, grows more food and passes that knowledge down to its offspring (and friends, and neighbors)? But, I think we need to move it to Fred's since it isn'at about ashtrays in a Prius. I don't reject the acid-alkyline thing just because this is the first I've heard of it. I reject it until some recognized research proves its value because of the way it is being marketed. The fantastic claims of "cures cancer", "I was cured of terminal cancer in 5 days" claims are classic "There's a sucker born every minute" marketing. Prey on those looking for a cure that their doctor doesn't have. Not too expensive, worth a try.
Yes, it is. Man, and his intelligence and ability to interact and change his environment IS part of nature. Thus, the ability to influence our environment by altering the course of disease is "natural". No, I'm not stupid, and I know what cluster headaches are and I'm quite open minded to learning lots of thing...
cluster headache (ku-lus-ter hed-ake) n. A group of people sharing the same headache while reading the cockamamie internet forum posts of an ignoramus. - - - - - - - I am not a doctor, but I am ready to give my diagnosis: Roger suffers from Cluster Headaches and has been self medicating with inconsistent doses of lithium. Roger also suffers from a severe case of acne and has also been self medicating with tetracycline. The interaction between tetracycline and lithium has caused Roger to suffer from Lithium intoxication, as evidenced by feelings of paranoia (being harassed by strangers), failures in grasping the obvious, and a severe case of delusional belief that he is superior to the medical doctors who are trying to educate him. Roger is one caustic boy who needs to stay out of his father’s medical practice medicine cabinet!
Early on in this thread I stated that we should not hate the person who smokes but it's OK to hate the behavior of the smoker. I think Roger has a rather eccentric take on science and medicine and where natural selection fits in and all. Thus, his ideas may be "ignoramus" like, but I would decline to call him one. I have no problem with the word "cockamamie" either, since it is directed at his posts and not at him. Attack the ideas, not the person. In fact, I think this is one of the major criticisms I have a modern discourse. Your opponent expresses a different opinion, so we attack them personally. I don't like that. Just my 2 cents. (Sufferin, on the other hand, I've gotta admit I almost laughed out loud when I read your post.)
I went ahead and moved this entire thread. I couldn't find a good place to split it as the huge majority of it is way way OT.
im just bummed to find out we dont have seat height adjustment and everyone else does... ooops!... maybe that was another thread
