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Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by randomwalk101, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. randomwalk101

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    it looks like certain 2018 production (later date) now has the spin on oil filter rather than the paper filter cartridge. I’m just wondering if it’s possible to buy the parts to convert over to the spin on type. Never a fan of that paper cartridge...
     
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    Are there kits for such a conversation, or? If you choose to go that way, you got to ensure that the filter media in the spin type filter, would meet the manufacturer's specifications for oil filtration. And you have to check if there's enough space for the filter conversation kit on the engine side.
     
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    My 2017 Prius Prime (virtually same engine as the 2016+ Prius) has the spin on oil filter...some older 2017 Prius prime has the cartridge type so it looks like Toyota just made the conversion recently. If the two engine are the same then Toyota must have an adapter and since it's factory..that should put you at ease on the parts and filters.
    The only question is cost...may not even worth it.
     
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    The Gen3 has a conversion kit. I believe it is 3 volts and probably some form a gasket you can buy at an auto parts store ;).

    @Rebound installed one on his PIP about a year back due to not being able to remove the cartridge holder:(.

    They are out there(y).
     
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    This Prius v thread discusses it:

    Oil Filter Conversion | PriusChat

    AND, link in the first post gets into the nuts-and-bolts of the conversion, albeit of a 4th gen Prius, with parts numbers.
     
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    Where do you get the 3 volts power? ;)
     
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    You get it from the flux capacitor
     
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    Apparently I do more talking about volts than bolts :sick:.

    Silly iPhone :rolleyes:.
     
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    You're thinking of DeLorean :LOL:
     
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    Thanks for posting the link. Very interesting. Link indeed has the part # but when checked with Toyota website it said it won’t fit 2016 Prius. Not sure if the website is not up to date or it’s truly doesn’t fit.
     
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    The low power portends future problems. I only replace oil filter adapters that are at least 12 volts.
     
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    Figure 15-02, Oil Filter, in Toyota’s parts catalog for the 2017 Prius has two images, one showing a replaceable filter element and reusable cap assembly, and the other showing a conventional filter.

    With the change in filter also comes a new version of the oil filter bracket sub-assembly. Both versions are labeled in the catalog with part name code 15609, but the part numbers and prices are different. The older one, part number 15609-37041 (or its predecessor, 15609-37040), was used on cars built through September 2017, and the newer one, part number 15609-37060, has been used since September 2017.
    Remember that the parts catalog is published to support typical maintenance and repair operations, not to identify every combination of parts that might work. When you specify a model year (expressed internally as a range of production dates), the catalog is filtered to show only parts used originally on vehicles of that year, or the equivalents for such parts.

    The design change involves both the bracket sub-assembly and the filter, so neither of the newer parts can be listed as a direct replacement for the older one. The change also adds a union, part number 90904-04006.

    The new design might cost less to produce, but considering the prices of the parts, I don’t think it would be a cost-effective retrofit, unless some other factor is involved. (For example, perhaps the conventional filters are more effective, or technicians too often forget to install the replaceable elements.)
     
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    I got a reply back from Tom Armstrong. Apparently this conversion will work with all 2zr engines.
     
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    What are those, ie: 4th Gen Prius, 3rd Prius, certain Corolla?
     
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    Here's an Amayama link for the conversion components. It's from 2018 model year Prius:

    Buy oil filter for Toyota Prius XW50 (09.2015 - 11.2018) - Amayama

    Most if not all items are significantly cheaper than the North American sources. When loading a shopping cart, it will recommend the cheapest combo of price/shipping. Try that first, but if it incurs shipping from more than one country (I'm finding majority from UAE, and one item from Japan), then it's likely better to change the the exception so that you're shipping from just one country, avoid the second shipping charge.

    Also, I don't think the (four) bolts are necessary, the ones with the older style oil filter bracket are reusable.

    Specialized tool needed: 12 mm Allen-Key style socket, to install the union.

    I haven't followed through as yet. Not 100% convinced I will. But FWIW, it would be under $100 CDN all-in for me, on West Coast Canada (just the bold p/n's in following list). Also, so far shopping with these guys, no import duty, or even sales tax.

    Some part number info:

    Parts for oil filter conversion kit, per Amayama:
    (4)-91551-F0835 (Bolt)<not really necessary, original bolts can be reused
    (1)-15609-37041 (Oil Filter Bracket Assembly)
    (1)-15609-37060 (Oil Filter Bracket Assembly - Newer Revision)
    (2)-96723-24020 (O-Ring)
    (1)-90904-04006 (Union, for Oil Filter)
    (1)-90915-10003 (Oil Filter)<just purchase from local dealership
    (1)-NITTO 4TP121 (Oil Filter - Alternate)

    There's some discussion of torque values in the comments here:

    The 2016+ Toyota 2zr Engine oil filter conversion - Armstrong Family Blog

    Seems like they're saying 20 ft/lbs is in the ball park, for the "union" component.

    Then, looking at the Repair Manual (see attachment), the four hold-down bolts for the bracket are "Type A" in the attachement, 19 ft/lb value. So maybe 19~20 ft/lb would be good for both, keep it simple.
     

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    Interesting article, pros and cons of each method.

    Canister vs. Cartridge | 2015-05-01 | NOLN

    I continue to trip on the terminology, lol. I believe it's:

    Cartridge: Permanent housing, only the filter element is changed. Common till maybe the mid-fifties, then fell out of fashion. Tends to be more complicated to change, probably not popular with oil-change places. The permanent housing may be subject to wear-and-tear, degradation of material, in particular the plastic housings. Filter element only (with some plastic), it's easier to recycle.

    Cannister: AKA Spin-On. The housing and filter, basically everything is changed. Introduced in fifties, still most common today, though car manufacturers are reversing that trend*. Popular with oil-change places due to it's convenience and bullet-proof nature. Being an assembly of steel, rubber/plastic and paper, it's more difficult to recycle.

    * And then there's Toyota: reversing the reversal. Maybe they were one of the early adopters, but are getting problem reports??
     
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    Just noticed, in the 2016 Repair Manual oil change instruction, they show both cartridge and spin-on:

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    Indeed; I think you’ve got it backwards. Toyota uses “cartridge type” or (in the Repair Manual) “Oil Filter Sub-assembly Type” for the conventional filter, and “element type” or “Oil Filter Element Kit Type” for the paper-and-glue kind that fits into the reusable cap assembly. The last one I bought had a nifty Toyota hologram on the box, perhaps to scare off counterfeiters.

    (They misspelled it as “cartrige” in the parts catalog, but we all know they meant カートリッジ, anyway.)
    Those Repair Manual topics are from 2019 (see the “Last Modified” dates) and have been revised to cover 2016 and later model years. The first few versions of the Repair Manual, published in 2015 and 2016, described only the element type oil filters.
     
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    Interesting video on Cannister* style Oil filter housing O-rings:



    * Permanent Filter Housing style, I hope I've got that right.
     
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    The tool (used as a pointer here) in the still frame on the video was, and still is I'd guess, known as a "ToadSticker"...
     
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